Today, you can find a huge variety of breads on supermarket shelves, only a few of which are called “sourdough.” For most of human history, though, any bread that wasn’t flat was sourdough—that is, it was leavened with a wild community of microbes. And yet we know surprisingly little about the microbes responsible for raising sourdough bread, not to mention making it more nutritious and delicious than bread made with commercial yeast. For starters, where do the fungi and bacteria in a sourdough starter come from? Are they in the water or the flour? Do they come from the baker’s hands? Or perhaps they’re just floating around in the foggy air, as the bakers of San Francisco firmly believe? This episode, Cynthia and Nicky go to Belgium with two researchers, 15 bakers, and quite a few microbes for a three-day science experiment designed to answer this question once and for all. Listen in for our exclusive scoop on the secrets of sourdough.

No one knows how or when humans first figured out that if you mixed mashed-up grains and water and let them sit for a while, you got a bubbling beige goo that you could use to make beer or raise bread. (No one even knows whether humans went for the booze or the bread first, although Nicky is firmly on Team Booze.) Historians and archaeologists speculate that the first bread would have been fluffy and spongy, something like the injera that is still eaten in Ethiopia today. Despite the microbes, it would likely have still been quite flat, because the fermented ground-grain-and-water mix would have been cooked simply by pouring it on a rock—there’s evidence that humans were grinding sorghum, an African grain, long before pottery was invented in which to bake the shaped dough into a loaf.

But once Louis Pasteur explained yeast’s role in fermentation using his new compound microscope in the 1850s, sourdough’s popularity slumped. Sourdough was finicky, unreliable, and slow; commercial baker’s yeast, which was first sold by the Fleischmann brothers just 11 years after Pasteur first published his discoveries, worked well enough, and it provided the same rapid results every time. By the 1960s, sourdough had all but been forgotten. In this episode, we trace its revival, but also reveal how science, which initially gave us boring baker's yeast, is now uncovering the secrets of sourdough.

Microbiologists Rob Dunn and Anne Madden allowed us to accompany them to Belgium for their groundbreaking experiment to discover where the microbes in a sourdough culture come from. While there, we visit the world’s first and only Sourdough Library, learn how the microbes in sourdough improve the texture, flavor, and nutritional quality of bread, and eat our body weight in baked goods. And then, the results! Why do bakers have “sourdough paws”? What is so special about Australian starters? And where do all those microbes actually come from? All that and more this episode: Listen in now!

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