(Editor’s note: Reader questions are in bold, followed by Ta-Nehisi’s replies. In the video above, he discusses issues surrounding his cover story, “My President Was Black.”)
After reading you for the last 5+ years or so, and becoming more aware of the racial strains that permeate the U.S. on so very many levels, and realizing that you are so much more aware of these things than I am (from experience and study), I wonder if you despair of Americans ever living together in truly racially peaceful and tranquil society, rather than being riven by racial division, strife, and conflict? Is a real peace—with something approaching fairness and justice—ever going to be on offer in America in your view?
Nah. I don’t despair. The world is imperfect. Long view of history shows evil triumphing more often than we’d like to admit. That’s just how it is. I don’t despair too much about dying either. It’s just a fact of being human.
How do you try and communicate that insight to children?
I talk to them, just like I’m talking here. I’ve never tried to hide anything.
As a black mother and an advocate for racial equality, I am concerned about your totality of belief that black people will never gain true equality in America. Don’t you think you should use your position in the media to forge alliances and proffer the reality that there are many blacks and whites that seamlessly bridge the gap between the races?
Nah. I’m a writer. My job is to speak what that which I think is true. If that bridges the gap, that’s good. If it doesn’t, that’s too bad.
As a Gen-X pundit of repute, what’s the most frustrating gap you see between Boomer and Millennial (and younger, now) activism? Is there something you’d wish both could grasp, but somehow they cannot?
I don’t feel much of one. I’m immensely proud of BLM, for instance. The only time I felt distance was during the campus protests. But that’s not generational. It’s because I went to an HBCU [historically black college or university] and so couldn’t directly relate to, say, having to walk past a hall named after a white supremacist every day. But that’s just because of my experiences. I think the kids are all right.
I’m a white guy who went to an HBCU (Del-State). I thought it was a great experience, but there was definitely a mixed response to my presence on some days. In recent years, at least as far as Del-State is concerned, there are more white folks going to HBCUs. Do you think this is good, bad, or no big deal?
Sure, it’s a good thing. I always thought of Howard being defined by its mission, not by racist exclusion. There is historical precedent for this. A historian recently told there was a time at the end of the 19th/early-20th century when Howard was the only place in the D.C. area that would train women to be doctors. The result was that, for a time, Howard was actually the largest producers of white women doctors in the region.
That’s right on mission. These places weren’t created to be the inverse of segregated universities. In fact, HBCUs have never been segregated. Howard, specifically, was created to educate and create a class of people invested in the ideals of justice and equality.
I can’t speak for Del-State. But I don’t fear white students coming to Howard. I think it’s great. We need more. And then we need other non-black institutions— not just higher ed—to follow that same example with black and brown folks.
As for whatever raised eyebrows you received, I’d say, while it isn’t right, ultimately, that’s good too. America is on permanent raised-eyebrow status toward those of us who are black. It’s not awful to get to see how that might feel.
What’s the best way for a white person to be an ally and advocate for social justice while de-centering oneself?
I don’t know. This isn’t really what I’d ask of anyone. I know the vocabulary here is popular. But it’s not really the kind I’d use or ask be used around me.
I think it’s really important to be conscious of yourself and the world around you. For me, that meant reading a lot and reporting. I don’t know that white people need to be “allies” so much as understand that any black struggle in America is ultimately a struggle for the large country. “Ally” presumes a kind of distance that I am not sure exists.
(Editor’s note: Reader questions are in bold, followed by Ta-Nehisi’s replies. The speech above was delivered the day after Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton.)
With the election and current political climate, there’s a lot of very understandable gloom and trepidation right now. But is there anything happening in America now that makes you feel optimistic about our future as a society? Any bright spots you would like to see more focus on and draw peoples’ attention to?
I don’t know. I don’t tend to look for reasons for optimism or pessimism. I think human societies tend to be problematic. And we are just conforming to the rule.
Trump is very aggressively attacking the credibility of the media. How can the media and journalists best respond to his tactics?
Not sure they can. Dunno if this is really up to them. Feels like something larger happening. Obviously you can do your job well. But I don’t think, say, The New York Times doing its job well is going to garner them cred among the people who believe Trump is a credible press critic.
Do you believe in the meme that it was liberal intolerance for conservative views that generated the backlash personified by Trump? Or the related meme that liberals have ignored white heartland people?
Nah. Trump was polling well back in 2012 in GOP primaries.
How do you think protest movements are gonna evolve in the next few years to counter the alt-right direction that national politics have taken?
No idea. But they need to take appropriate measures against the very real possibility of government surveillance and harassment. We’ve done it before. Like, in the life-times of many Americans. No real reason to think it could not happen again.
What lessons can today’s protest movements take from the civil rights movement, Black Panthers, etc.?
That it is highly likely they will be viewed as a threat. That it is likely that they will be set against each other. That they will be bugged. It’s worth talking to some of the leaders in the Muslim communities here in New York about what the NYPD did to them under Bloomberg.
What do you think of the recent schism on the left (or maybe just the far left?) about economic populism and “identity politics”?
Think it’s silly. I guess I’d be put in the ID politics camp. But there is really nothing in the world-view of, say, Bernie Sanders I actually disagree with. I’d like a guaranteed income, single-payer health care, a stronger safety net, etc. The problem is the temptation to paper over historically fraught issues to achieve that is tempting. And you always see that on the left. Whether with Clinton’s “rising tide” rhetoric, with Obama’s adoption of that notion (see the archives [here]), or with Sanders.
It’s disappointing to see the senator endorse the charge of “political correctness.” It’s disappointing to see him invoke his own identity as coming from the white working class immediately after the election, and then a few weeks later attack identity politics and candidates standing up and saying “Vote for me, I’m a woman.” This is how the attacks on ID politics work. It’s fine for Sanders to invoke his own. It’s a problem when others do the same.
I also think Hillary Clinton was a very unfortunate vessel for the kind of complaints that folks in the “identity politics” camp typically lodge. Her skills as a politician aside, I think her own history provoked a great deal of skepticism among people like me who actually come from that generation that was written off as “super-predators,” who remember the crime bill, who remember welfare reform. I think that made it easy for those who were (rightly) concerned about Clinton’s speeches, for instance, to throw out the causes Clinton adopted right along with her.
Which is a bigger concern for you, Trump’s agenda or the upcoming legislative session?
Both. They’re one and the same. This does not end well. For anyone.