In 2012, Did Conservatives Lose a Battle or the War?

And is militarism even an appropriate way to assess the state of partisan politics in America today?

On Uncommon Knowledge, an underrated right-of-center interview program far better than anything on Fox News, host Peter Robinson and guest Rob Long mull the implications of Mitt Romney's loss, which they regard as a serious setback with which conservatives must urgently grapple.

With them is John Yoo*, who is more sanguine. Their exchange is a good example of the sort of disagreement roiling movement conservatism at the moment. Let's start with Rob Long. "We do this on our side," he argued. "When we lose, when we get a drubbing, we spend about a day lashing ourselves, and the rest of the time trying to prove how we didn't lose at all."

Here's what followed (transcript follows video):

John Yoo: The military makes a distinction between strategy and tactics. We can talk about a lot of tactical mistakes the Romney campaign made, to me a lot of what you're saying sound like tactical mistakes. Different ways they could've appealed to broader constituencies including minorities and so on. But I think what I hear you saying is that the strategy, the fundamental strategy of being for free markets, free men, free minds is not the wrong strategy. It's a matter of how you carry it out to achieve your goals.

Rob Long: The military also has a habit of when they lose, calling it a loss. When they actually lose a war or a battle they say, 'We lost it.' They don't say, 'Well, if you really think about it right --'

John Yoo: Well you could lose the battle but not lose the war.

Rob Long: To use the military analogy, if you set out a strategy over the last 40 years, you say, okay, we lost the battle of socialized medicine, we lost the battle on big government, we lost the battle on deficits, we lost the battle on taxes, we lost the battle on social issues. I'm sorry, what are the battles that are left?

Peter Robinson: Take Obamacare alone. One point that Rob is making here is that this isn't reversible. This is irreversible. The country has suddenly ratcheted to the left and whether or not Barack Obama had a mandate to do it he did it. And as Obamacare begins to be enacted over the next four years, which it will be, it will begin to shape and mold the American character and American expectations. It's a point that Mark Steyn has made over and over and over again that even Margaret Thatcher never thought about touching the National Health Service in Britain. Some expansions of government, for whatever reason they take place, become irreversible and shape the people who live under them.

John Yoo: So Obamacare is kinda like the kudzu of American politics. I really disagree with that. If you control the House, you control the power of the purse, then you can't repeal Obamacare, but you can slow it down a lot.

Rob Long: That's my point exactly. We can't stop the progressive movement. We can just slow it down.

John Yoo: Until 2016, when you can go to the country and say we want a mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

Rob Long: but we did that. That's what we had in 2012.

John Yoo: But we had a candidate who was especially vulnerable on attacking Obamacare. And I hate to say it, the Supreme Court helped out Obama. Chief Justice Roberts wrote a constitutional opinion that I think was profoundly mistaken because he was faked out by Obama. He did it to escape attacks on the Supreme Court by the president. I think he was wrong to do it. And I think he handed over the right to appoint Surpeme Court justices for the next 40 years.

Peter Robinson: I'm just going to repeat the question to give you a chance to recant. It was a 5-to-4 decision. They decided. The Constitution is heretofore to be interpreted in a different and from our point of view in a way that is permanently friendlier to the expansion of the welfare state. That has happened.

Rob Long: And in the next four years... we're going to have more Sotomayors and more Elena Kagans on the court. And we're going to have them because we've lost our base. It's shrunk and it's not coming back unless we do something.

John Yoo: Is this my chance to recant? I will not do it. 

Interesting, isn't it?

On the whole, I find Yoo's loyalty to his own ideology and convictions are clouding his capacity for cogent analysis. But I have some disagreements with what Long and Robinson are saying too.

Conservatives have in fact "won" on many issues in the last 40 years. The United States, and the Democratic Party in particular, are a lot more market friendly now than they were back then. A lot of industries have been deregulated -- isn't cheap airfare great? -- and the country is improved in all sorts of ways. Does it matter that not all of them were "conservative" victories? The air is cleaner. Race relations are better. People are living longer. Violent crime is way down. Even hula hooping, which I understand was very popular in the 1970s, is quite improved:


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Conor Friedersdorf is a staff writer at The Atlantic, where he focuses on politics and national affairs. He lives in Venice, California, and is the founding editor of The Best of Journalism, a newsletter devoted to exceptional nonfiction.

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