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How Much Are Far-Left Activists Fueling Trump?
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'This Is Pretty Ugly, and It's Gonna Be the Norm'

That’s Chris Matthews during his narration of the long taping of last Friday’s violent scene at the cancelled Trump event in Chicago. “Look at this,” he says, “judge for yourself”:

A reader, Brendan Reid, addresses the part of our discussion about brainstorming the most effective ways to protest Trump, such as silent sit-ins or video campaigns that use Trump’s own words against him. Brendan has a creative suggestion:

Like all decent people, I’ve been scratching my head on how we stop the rise of Drumpf. Then I remembered this article from last year about how this nice little German town couldn’t get a bunch of goose-stepping neo-Nazis to stop holding their annual march in the town’s main street. The more the residents protested, the more wingnuts would come, planning their family vacations around the annual show of strength and the titillation of potential violence. Sound familiar?

So the protestors came up with a brilliant solution, a way to use the hate against the haters.

How Much Are Far-Left Activists Fueling Trump? Cont'd

A reader dissents over the premise of this discussion thread:

I’m not going to go into whether or not Trump’s right to freedom of speech is being hampered by those who protested over the past weekend. What I want to address is the incredible short memory of journalists. Trump has been spewing violent rhetoric against a large number of people since he began his campaign. For months and months, individuals have either not been allowed in or have been escorted out if they are assumed to be disruptive (no matter whether they were or not). There was zero evidence that these people were encouraged by any movement on the left. Many were simply curious and most did not do anything anti Trump except be there.

Now, Trump comes to Chicago to a venue in a heavily Hispanic and African American neighborhood that is also home to many young college students and young professionals of all ethnicities. They decide to object to him. Now the media decides to ignore all the months of no movement from the left against Trump and claims that this is an organized movement by leftists. And who is arguing this? The Washington Times. Reason. What is the record of reliability of these two sources? I’d say very little given that they are nothing more than mouthpieces for the far right. Why on earth are you jumping on this bandwagon?

And frankly, why not admit that the real reason that there are more demonstrations is that a lot of people are getting very tired of a media that treats Trump with a respect that he doesn’t deserve and which also does not recognize the fact that there is little difference between the “sane and moderate” Republicans and Trump. Cruz is equally as bad as Trump, with an ego and personality and temperament to match. Rubio and Kasich are barely better. Their party created a space for a man who incites fear and spews hatred. That’s why they all say they will support him if he is nominated. That’s the sickness you should be examining, not looking for leftists behind the curtains and under the rug.

Another reader responds to my posting of the video of women reading misogynist quotes from Trump:

I agree with you about using Trump’s words against him. I actually think NBC should release all the raw footage from the various episodes of The Apprentice.

Another reader thinks through the question of how to most effectively protest Trump:

I’m increasingly convinced the way to countering Trump’s rise isn’t going to be through Trump. That method has clearly failed. Maybe the thing to do now is to start trying to reach Trump’s supporters.

What's the Best Way to Protest Trump? Cont'd

Our latest reader to email hello@, Robert Hochman, offers some great recommendations in response to that question—the best way to protest Trump—that don’t involve threatening free speech, which Robert defends here with passion and principle:

I’m a lawyer, but I don’t think the law of free speech is all that helpful in thinking through the delicate question of how one should either tactically or morally protest Trump. Whether he crosses the line to incitement, or merely dances on its edge, Trump is contemptible. What is legally permissible public speech is far broader than what our political culture ought to expect from candidates.

Whether Trump is aiding and abetting battery by offering to pay legal fees of his supporters who punch protestors is a nice exam question for law school. Whether he is “inciting” violence by lamenting the good ol’ days when protesters were taken out on a stretcher is something law professors and students love to argue about.

But nothing turns on the answer. And that’s because what we should cherish about our political culture is the miracle—and it really should be thought of as like a miracle—that the most powerful nation the world has ever seen removes its most powerful person from office every four or eight years through an orderly, nonviolent, democratic process. This so familiar to us that it is taken for granted.  Maybe we have become so accustomed to it that we can’t really believe that someone has come along who is threatening that norm. But if we do see it, and can recognize it, it is certainly our duty to figure out the most effective way to stop it. So the need to protest Trump is clear, whether his speech is lawful or not.

I think the comments of one of your readers, Alycee, is fundamentally off when she asserts that it is morally OK to prevent Trump from speaking even though it would not have been morally OK to prevent Obama from speaking in 2008.

What's the Best Way to Protest Trump?

A reader makes some key distinctions in our discussion so far:

Protesters are a heterogenous group. There are silent protesters who just stand there holding a cloth banner, there are protesters who chant slogans, and there are protesters who are easily baited by the Trump crowd. The silent protesters are not disruptive within the meeting hall, though they may block the view of the stage of a few people. The protesters who chant slogans are fine outside the building. It’s the protesters who get into shouting matches who play into the hands of Trump.

Trump needs to tell the crowd they are victims of the kinds of people that are protesting—younger people and black people, in the case of St. Louis. He likes to promote the “generation gap” by reviling the protesters as lazy kids—shades of the 1960s.

I would like to see some clergy in collars, elderly black people, and white older adults, particularly women, providing silent non-violent protest and leading by example. The uncommitted voter is not likely to look fondly on a candidacy that is fine with abusing grannies.

The Muslim woman in the above video who stood up in silent protest at a Trump rally isn’t exactly young, and she was still forcibly removed by security and jeered by the crowd, with no words of appeasement from Trump. If you know of any similar examples of peaceful protest, please send them my way.

How Much Are Far-Left Activists Fueling Trump? Cont'd

In addressing the question, reader Alycee seems to draw a line between free speech and speech that incites violence—a line that’s difficult to determine sometimes:

At some point we have to face up to how our 1st Amendment protections of hate speech undermine the spirit and purposes of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection clause and, in so doing, undercut what we mean—or should mean—by a “free society.” Trump’s campaign brings this problem into sharp relief, and I shudder to think how he’ll translate, as POTUS, his hate speech into substantive policies.

Having said that: my take here is that Jonathan Chait’s analysis [excerpted earlier] is wildly off the mark. It is not so much the “morality of a tactic” that is at issue. What is at issue is the morality of the speaker against whom the tactic is employed as well as the morality of those who employ the tactic. Ultimately, the tactic is given meaning by those who use it.

Thus, in 2008 Barack Obama was calling for hope, not hate. In not one of his speeches speech did he denigrate a broad swath of the American public. He never characterized immigrants as rapists, murderers, thieves, and terrorists. [CB note: Nor did Obama denigrate the white working class—and even his Bittergate comment, distorted by his opponents, wasn’t said on the stump.] He did not yearn for the good old days when “we” would use thuggish, brute force to deal with dissenters. He did not promise to uproot a million people and ship them off to another land. He never embraced, however subtly, the support of an organization whose history includes such heinous acts as lynching ...

How Much Are Far-Left Activists Fueling Trump?

It’s a fraught question, but one that this reader tackles after reading Molly’s latest on “the resentment powering Trump”:

I’m one of the more anti-Trump commenters on this forum, but this is a topic where the Trump crowd does have a point. There is a double-standard regarding the bad behavior of the opposition, or at least a perception problem. The opposition should consider that they are actually giving Trump ammo to perpetuate his position.

However, the Trump crowd themselves negate the double-standard when they claim equivalency between, say, BLM and the KKK (as the one quoted gentleman did in the article).

A new poll from Monmouth University looked for empirical evidence of far-left activists driving support to Trump. Here’s Reason’s Robby Soave with the results:

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