The Book That Changed Reza Aslan's Mind About Jesus

The religious scholar from the viral Fox News interview explains how Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov taught him the difference between faith and religion.

By Heart is a series in which authors share and discuss their all-time favorite passages in literature.

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By now, millions of people have watched FOX news host Lauren Green’s grilling of writer Reza Aslan. Last week, the clip of the interview made the Internet flare up—mostly in outcry that a news anchor would so flagrantly suggest that Muslim thinkers are more biased and agenda-driven than other (presumably white, Christian) talking heads.

Though Green’s questions received scorn, media reaction largely avoided the more substantive questions brought up by the interview and Aslan’s new book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. And that’s too bad. These are lines of inquiry worth tracing: What does Jesus stand for, and who gets to decide? Who has the authority to determine what a figure of massive religious and cultural importance really “means”?

In Zealot, Aslan aligns himself with the scholars—Christian and otherwise—who argue for a clear distinction between Jesus Christ, leading man of the four Christian Gospels, and Jesus of Nazareth, the Jewish peasant and itinerant leader who was crucified for insurrection in the First Century. In Aslan’s telling, Jesus was a political revolutionary who fought for social justice, championed the downtrodden, and sought actively to disrupt Rome’s dominion and bring forth a new worldview.

In Aslan’s view, the facts of Jesus of Nazareth’s biography should inform any belief system that calls itself Christian—though he acknowledges the impossibility of piecing together a full or conclusive historical record. As he acknowledges in the book’s preface, all definitive statements about Jesus are subjective and based on faith—on religious faith about the nature of the universe, or on intellectual faith in one’s interpretation of a largely undocumented history.

When I asked Aslan, an associate professor of creative writing at the University of California, Riverside, to share a favorite passage from literature for “By Heart,” he chose a passage from The Brothers Karamazov that shaped his spiritual outlook. In an interview by phone, Aslan explained his skepticism of definitive statements about religion and why he values his highly personalized faith. We discussed the difference between faith and religion, the reasons for his conversion from Christianity to Islam, and why he’s been fascinated by the historical Jesus in his life and work.


Reza Aslan: When I was 16 years old, I read the book that has probably had the greatest influence on me—The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky. This book was pivotal in making me realize what I wanted to do with my life: that I wanted to write for a living, that I wanted to write about religious topics, that I wanted to help others explore the same issues I could feel Dostoevsky making me grapple with, even that young age. Really, truly, this book is the impetus for who I am.

The passage I want to discuss is one a lot of people know. It’s from the section in the book that’s sometimes referred to as “The Grand Inquisitor.” Ivan, the atheist brother, tells Alyosha, the believer, a story about Jesus coming back to earth during the time of the Inquisition. Jesus begins performing miracles, and people recognize him for who he is—and he’s arrested, of course, by the Inquisitors, who sentence him to be burned to death.

The night before his sentence, the Grand Inquisitor visits Jesus in his cell. Jesus doesn’t speak, but the Grand Inquisitor speaks to him at length about how the church doesn’t really need Jesus anymore. And that, frankly, his return at this point is just disruptive to the overall meaning of the church. In other words, the Grand Inquisitor says that the church’s mission in preaching Jesus has become more important than Jesus himself. And the great line, the quote that I really gravitated towards is this one here:

“Anyone who can appease a man’s conscience can take his freedom away from him.”

What I love about the story is that it’s become a kind of atheist manifesto, if you will. Many non-believers cite this passage as the reason why they do not believe—forgetting, by the way, that Dostoevsky himself was quite a fervent believer. But they also forget the end of the story: what happens after the Grand Inquisitor makes this huge statement, and lambastes Jesus for not speaking up for himself. Jesus simply stands up, walks up to the Grand Inquisitor, and gives him a kiss.

I think Dostoevsky is saying that we must never confuse faith with religion. We must never confuse the institutions that have arisen, these man-made institutions—and I mean that quite literally, because they’re all run by men—who have created languages to help people understand faith, with faith itself. I, as a person of faith, read the same story and did not see it as a repudiation of faith the way a lot of atheists do. I saw it as a challenge to always remember that those who claim to speak for Jesus are precisely the kind of people that Jesus fought against. What I love about the Grand Inquisitor parable—and a parable is truly what it is—is this notion that if Jesus showed up, all of a sudden, today, he would not only bear very little resemblance to who the Church says he is, his primary focus would be on challenging the very religious institutions who claim to speak for him.

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Joe Fassler is a writer based in Brooklyn. His fiction has appeared in The Boston Review, and he regularly interviews authors for The Lit Show. In 2011, his reporting for TheAtlantic.com was a finalist for a James Beard Foundation Award in Journalism.

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