He was explicit in a blogger call. He says the Khmer Rouge technique depicted above in a Cambodian museum on torture techniques is not torture. Under domestic and international law, it absolutely is. The Khmer Rouge believed it was. You can see the campaign slogan now: Rudy - Tougher than Pol Pot. Look at the image above. This was Cambodia a few years ago. It is America today.
"I'm exploiting the maximum of what you can ask a piece of metal to do."